ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC34 N0xxx

ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34/WG2 N271

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TITLE: Secretariat report on dual-numbered publication
SOURCE: SC34 Secretariat
PROJECT: ID: is9541-4
PROJECT EDITOR:
STATUS: Document for SC34 meeting in Oslo
ACTION: For information
DATE: 2007-03-22
DISTRIBUTION: SC34/WG2
REFER TO:
REPLY TO: Dr. James David Mason
(ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Chairman)
Y-12 National Security Complex
Bldg. 9113, M.S. 8208
Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8208 U.S.A.
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Mr. G. Ken Holman
(ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat - Standards Council of Canada)
Crane Softwrights Ltd.
Box 266,
Kars, ON K0A-2E0 CANADA
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Network: jtc1sc34@scc.ca


Secretariat report on dual-numbered publication

From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager" <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> To: "Brannon" Cc: "Rajchel"; "Yushi Komachi" <komachi at y-adagio.com>; "James D. Mason" <masonjd at y12.doe.gov> Subject: Publishing of 9541-4 and 14496-22 Date: 2007-03-22, 19:22 Hello Keith, February 9, 2006, over a year ago (see message below with this date), JTC 1 indicated there would be no problems with a dual-numbered standard. Here we are at the start of the SC34 plenary in Oslo and WG2 still does not have direction on progressing with a dual-numbered standard. Can we have some instruction here how to proceed, please? Thank you for your guidance. . . . . . . . . . . . Ken >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:36:01 -0500 >To: brannon >From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman at CraneSoftwrights.com> >Subject: RE: SC34 Correspondence - 2007-01-23 > >At 2007-01-30 12:24 +0100, you wrote: >>Ken,When a country (NB) is proposing to join SC 34 they need first to inform >>you then they must contact us directly announcing their intention of >>becoming a P or O member of SC 34.We then register them as such.Quite often >>the NB forgets to inform us. > >Understood ... so that was why I saw the note from you. I was only >trying to inform you that TC Support seemed on top of the situation >you were bringing to their attention. BTW, NL asked me to change >from O to P and I informed them to talk to TC Support first. > >>On ISO/IEC 14496-22 I seem to remember there was talk of a single >>publication with two numbers which is not possible but please let me know >>what JTC1 said I may have missed it. > >Please find below one of the latest threads ... not the latest >request that was made to you, but the one that I think has the most detail. > >I appreciate your help with this, Keith, > >. . . . . . . . . . . Ken > >From: Rajchel >To: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager" > <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca>, > Brannon >Cc: Yushi Komachi <komachi at y-adagio.com>, Holmes, > jameson, "James D. Mason" <masonjd at y12.doe.gov> >Subject: RE: Status of joint 9541-4 and 14496-22 progress >Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:29:17 -0500 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 206.191.32.38 >X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 > > >Keith, > >Please reply. > >Lisa > >-----Original Message----- >From: G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager >[mailto:jtc1sc34 at scc.ca] >Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:19 AM >To: Rajchel; Brannon >Cc: Yushi Komachi; Holmes; scott.jameson; James D. Mason >Subject: Status of joint 9541-4 and 14496-22 progress > >Hello Lisa and Keith, I hope this note finds you well. > >The next meeting of SC34/WG2 is coming up in a week's time, and I >still am not in a position to advise WG2 regarding the progress of >the joint work of two projects from two committees: > > 1) JTC 1/SC 34/WG 2 - 9541-4 - Information technology - Font >information interchange - Part 4: Open Font Format > 2) JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 - 14496-22 - Information technology -- Coding >of audio-visual objects -- Part 22: Open Font Format > >We have received two pieces of conflicting instruction regarding how >we are to progress. > >On February 9[1] we were given the clearance to progress 9541-4 as a >dual-numbered standard joint with 14496-22 under a single title. > >This was sent to all SC34 members on February 20 and accepted with >only a comment from Canada that this was unusual and possibly the >source of confusion. With the support of other SC34 members, >however, we decided to proceed. > >On March 27[2] and April 27[3] and June 13[4] we asked for direction, >and on June 25[5] we were informed that we could not continue 9541-4 >as a dual-numbered standard joint with 14496-22 under a single >title. I replied the following day June 26[6] that in fact these do >not have different scopes and they are the same document, but this >has not been replied to yet. > >I have asked for guidance on this September 5[7] and October 31[8] >without any response. > >So, we have heard that we can and that we cannot proceed as has been >agreed by SC34 members. > >How can I advise SC 34/WG 2 to progress their work next weekend at >their upcoming meeting? > >Thank you for any help you can be. > >. . . . . . . . . . Ken > >[1] > >From: Rajchel > >To: "'G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretary'" <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca>, > > Holmes > >Cc: "James D. Mason" <masonjd at y12.doe.gov>, > > Yushi Komachi > > <komachi at y-adagio.com> > >Subject: RE: Initiating a project for a dual-numbered standard > >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:32:20 -0500 > > > >Ken, > > > >Your proposed approach is fine. > > > >Regards, > > > >Lisa > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretary > [mailto:jtc1sc34 at scc.ca] > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:17 AM > >To: Rajchel; Holmes > >Cc: James D. Mason; Yushi Komachi > >Subject: Initiating a project for a dual-numbered standard > > > >Good morning Lisa and Dana, I hope this finds each of you well. > > > >To accommodate a situation where two subcommittees have similar > >objectives, we intend to begin a subdivision of 9541 to introduce > >9541-4 to be the SC34 name for a single dual-numbered standard that > >SC29 names 14496-22, both under the identical title "Open Font > >Format" (since it is, indeed, a single document). > > > >Are there any special procedures, or do we just follow Directives > >9.3? Because it is just a subdivision on our part, could we simply > >follow Directives 6.2.2, add it to our programme of work and submit > >the subdivision to JTC1 for approval? > > > >We would like to do this immediately rather than wait for our next > >plenary session, so we will okay the subdivision at the SC34 level by > >asking P-members to vote on the subdivision using an SC34 document > >with an SC34 resolution that I'll distribute to members and ask for a > >response (should be quicker than a formal NP). > > > >Weighing the above, I'll go ahead with the document resolution and > >P-member vote, instead of a formal NP, unless you advise otherwise. > > > >Thanks for any guidance and clarification! > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ken > >-- > >[2] > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:04:10 -0500 > >To: Atlab > >From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretary" <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Subject: RE: JTC 1 N 8040 & N 8041 > >Cc: "Brannon", "Holmes" > > > >Thank you, Ali! > >... > >I note that our count of active projects in our respect records > >matches, except for the new challenge of recording the new > >subdivision of 9541. This is a project that will produce a > >dual-numbered document. > > > >The work was initiated in SC29 and found to be in overlap with SC34 > >and the compromise reached was to have a project from each > >subcommittee reference the work to assist people in each domain to > >independently find the work. > > > >I'm not sure if I should just point our 9541-4 in SC34 to the > >database record #43466 for 14496-22 in SC29, or if we should > >duplicate the information for 14496-22 in a new record for 9541-4. > > > >Thanks for any guidance! > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . Ken > >[3] > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:38:26 -0400 > >To: Takahashi, "'G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC > >JTC 1/SC 34 Secretary'" <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretary" <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Subject: Re: JTC 1/SC 34 Project --- POSSIBLE AUTOMATIC CANCELLATION > >(2 and 5 YEAR RULES) > >Cc: Atlab, brannon, Takahashi > >, Steve Pepper <pepper at ontopia.net>, James D. > >Mason <masonjd at y12.doe.gov> > >... > >We maintain our programme of work at: > > > > http://www.jtc1sc34.org/document/secretariat_temp.html#pow > > > >You can see perusing this list that the only project for which we do > >not have an ISO database entry number is the SC34/WG2 joint > >9541/14496-22 project done in conjunction with SC29/WG11. > >[4] > >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:12:24 -0400 > >To: Atlab > >From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager" > ><jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Subject: Programme of work items for SC34 > >Cc: Brannon, Takahashi > > > >Hello Ali, Keith and Maho! > > > >Regarding our programme of work, I have some maintenance questions > >and we have a new project amendment. > > > >First, the amendment is 9541 Amd. 4: > > > > http://www.jtc1sc34.org/document/secretariat_temp.html#is9541-1a4 > > > >Next, how do we update the ISO catalogue with the new dual-numbered > >standard ... for now I'm just pointing 9541-4 to the database entry > >for 14496-22: > > > > http://www.jtc1sc34.org/document/secretariat_temp.html#is9541-4 > > > >http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?CSNUMB > ER=43466&scopelist=PROGRAMME > > > > > >Lastly, how do I go about producing a Technical Corrigendum to > 19757-2/Amd 1? > > > >Thanks for your guidance! > > > >. . . . . . . Ken > >[5] > >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:27:35 +0200 > >From: Brannon > >Subject: RE: Programme of work items for SC34 > >To: "'G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager'" > > <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca>, > > Projects <projects at iso.org> > >Reply-to: brannon > >Organization: ISO > > > >Ken, > >Ihave noted the new Amd 4 to ISO/IEC 9541 and am copying this to projects > >for inclusion in the database. > >Concerning your other question no IS carries two project numbers.Both are > >separate projects even if the content is similar.You also need to have > >different scopes. > >Regards > >Keith > >[6] > >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:35:49 -0400 > >To: brannon, Projects > >From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager" > ><jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Subject: RE: Programme of work items for SC34 > >... > >>Concerning your other question no IS carries two project numbers. > > > >But this was the action indicated to us by Lisa ... below is the > >email in February and we have been working on this premise ever since. > > > >My only question now is how to reflect this in the ISO database. > > > >>Both are > >>separate projects even if the content is similar.You also need to have > >>different scopes. > > > >They do not have different scopes. This is one document that is to > >be considered both a project of SC34/WG2 and SC29/WG11. > > > >Below the message from Lisa is the message from Jim to Scott and > >Lisa bringing this issue up. > > > >Thanks, Keith. > > > >. . . . . . . . . Ken > >[7] > >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:28:02 +0200 > >From: Hops > >Subject: RE: REMINDER - ISO/IEC CD 18048 > >To: "'G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager'" > > <jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Cc: takahashi, brannon > >Reply-to: hops > > > >Dear Ken, > > > >Thanks for the prompt reply.I'm afraid I cannot help in sorting this ou > >without Keith, who is now on holiday to return on 28 Sept. I am putting a > >print-out of this email on his desk to draw his attention on return. > > > >Best regards. > > > >Brenda > >******************************* > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager > >[mailto:jtc1sc34 at scc.ca] > >Sent: 2006-09-05 15:12 > >To: hops > >Cc: brannon; takahashi > >Subject: Re: REMINDER - ISO/IEC CD 18048 > > > >Hello Brenda, > >... > >p.s. and we are still unaware of the CS handling of the situation indicated > >by JTC 1 for the joint publishing of 9541-4 and 14496-22 as instructed by > >the JTC 1 secretariat > >[8] > >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:00:26 -0500 > >To: brannon at iso.org > >From: "G. Ken Holman - ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Manager" > ><jtc1sc34 at scc.ca> > >Subject: Re: FW: extensions jtc1 sc 34 > >Cc: James D. Mason <masonjd at y12.doe.gov>, Steve Pepper > ><pepper at ontopia.net>, Yushi Komachi <komachi at y-adagio.com>, Martin > >Bryan <martin at is-thought.co.uk> > > > >Good morning, Keith, > >... > >BTW, not mentioned in your summary is the situation we find > >ourselves in with respect to 9541-4 and 14496-22 ... we received > >authorization from JTC 1 Secretariat that we progress this work as a > >jointly-numbered standard and have been working that way for quite a > >while ... correspondence from you indicated this was not possible, > >yet we have already been working this way. I still do not have > >clear direction on how to proceed. > > > >Thanks again, Keith! > > > >. . . . . . . . . . Ken -- G. Ken Holman